Posted by Alumni from The Atlantic
December 3, 2025
Jonathan Gruber on the broken American health-care system, Obamacare, the Trump administration's war on vaccines and science, and being on the wrong end of Republican outrage. Plus: David on Donald Trump's Ukraine 'peace plan,' recent scandals, and They Thought They Were Free, by Milton Mayer. On this week's episode of The David Frum Show, The Atlantic's David Frum opens with his thoughts on the shocking alleged corruption that has informed President Donald Trump's actions toward Ukraine and the scandal of the recently proposed 'peace plan' by the United States. He goes on to discuss how the many scandals of the Trump presidency make it hard to focus on just one, as it is quickly replaced in the news cycle by another. Then David is joined by Jonathan Gruber, an economics professor and the chairman of the economics department at MIT. Gruber discusses the backlash he faced as a key architect of the Affordable Care Act and why the American health-care system still feels so broken.... learn more